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Hatred, bigotry, intolerance, catch the wave, it's sweeping the world ( open letter to the NAACP) by David Duke and the KKK

Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:55 AM EST
us-news, israel, america, hate, anti-semitism
By kpr37
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Bigotry and hatred are as old as mankind, it just seems to be an unfortunate fact of human nature,that we can not escape no matter how hard we try. But how does one recognize this vile hatred when one see it. that's a good question,and I will try to point out one way that it can be sure to be found.

Simply change the group targeted  to be  criticized,and see how it looks to someone out side your group of like minded people.Center left, left, far left, Stalinist  left, Chomsky left. Americans are generally not bigots, please don't attempt to make us so.

This was seeded on newsvine yesterday,(  Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up -- Please Give Us an Acceptable Way of Insulting You  )

I did not comment, as I found it most troubling, and feared suspension, had I commented.

 

let me turn this around for a moment, if you will allow me. I replace one historically persecuted group for another. Racism, bigotry, and intolerance's for the "other" is the sole reason, for the historical persecution of said groups.

 

I Will direct the questin  toward the African American lobby, the NAACP.See how it looks.

 

An open letter to the NAACP. the African American civil rights organisation, we are a group of open racists, who have been calling you the N word, Lynching some of you when we can, but our views are not accepted by the non-racist @!$%#s in the world. Please tell us how to better express our hate full and intolerant views of you N word people. I hate to write  this, as you N word people really make me SICK, but as a hateful racist "inbreed"  @!$%#, I lack the basic intelligence of a f***ing meal worm, and will take any help I can get. yours sincerely,  David Duke  and the KKK. (white power salute, the KKK member, inserts his fist in to the anus of  David Duke, in a show of white power, and solidarity, he violently thrusts it in)

 

Is this letter socially acceptable ?

 

are there groups of people it's Ok to insult, because they deserve it. Isn't that bigotry ? has the definition of bigotry changed, and no one told me ?

 

Canada is leading the world right now in rejecting intolerance. I would like to see my nation, America, step up to the plate.

 

The Ottawa Protocol sets some easy to spot classic examples of anti-semitism

 

 

We remain alarmed by ongoing state-sanctioned genocidal antisemitism and related extremist ideologies. If antisemitism is the most enduring of hatreds, and genocide is the most horrific of crimes, then the convergence of the genocidal intent embodied in antisemitic ideology is the most toxic of combinations.

We are appalled by the resurgence of the classic anti-Jewish libels, including:

 
The Blood Libel (that Jews use the blood of children for ritual sacrifice)

 

he Jews as "Poisoners of the Wells" - responsible for all evils in the world

 

The myth of the "new Protocols of the Elders of Zion" - the tsarist forgery that proclaimed an international Jewish conspiracy bent on world domination - and accuses the Jews of controlling government, the economy, media and public institutions.

 

( many examples of this can be found here.) http://kpr37.newsvine.com/_news/2011/12/30/9827963-top-palestinian-memri-tv-clips-of-2011

The double entendre of denying the Holocaust - accusing the Jews of fabricating the Holocaust as a hoax - and the nazification of the Jew and the Jewish people.

 

the claim that the Jews, or Zionists, are the new Nazi's, is a common claim found on inner-net chat rooms.It's a slander and a false charge, by some, with an irrational antipathy toward Israel. Because the comparison does not relate with, or is not supported by any factual observations, and has no independent verification that's supported by reality.

Israel has not invaded any western  European nation, has no African colonies, operates no death camps.

Has not now, nor ever had a deal with Russia to divide Poland.

Has no power sharing treaties or agreements with totalitarian Asian nations, and is not aggressively sinking internationally registered Ships, steaming across the North Atlantic conducting free trade. Israel never participated in night bombing raids over London. Has yet to invaded Russia, the Ukraine or any Baltic nations, has not annexed Norway as a Quisling state. Has stolen no works of art from French Museums. Israel does not murder homosexuals or Gypsies as state policy. So excuse me, if I do not view the comparison as anything more than an expression of hate, bigotry and intolerance.

 

The second claim often associated  with the Israeli,Nazi comparison is

 

The genocide of the Palestinian people continues

 

The word genocide, refers to the mass killing of a group of people.For ethnic, racial, or religious reasons.

A group of people,(Palestinians) who are in fact undergoing an unprecedented growth rate within  that population,can not  then claim a genocide is being committed , it's poppycock, utter nonsense, it's anti Israeli propaganda, that does not relate with observable reality or facts supplied by the Palestinians themselves. It's used to inflame religious hatred and inspire others to violence against Jews.

On February 9, 2008, Luay Shabaneh, the new president of the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS), published the results of a December 2007 Palestinian Authority population census. According to the new data, since 1997, the Arab population has increased to 1,460,000 in the Gaza Strip and 2,300,000 in the West Bank (including 208,000 in East Jerusalem) to a total of 3,760,000 people—an increase of 30 percent in one decade.

a 30% growth in population is not a genocide, it can not be called a genocide in a fact based realistic world.

http://islamonfocus.blogspot.com/2009/04/politics-of-palestinian-demography.html

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kpr37

break the bond of intolerance

Free the human mind.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:57 AM EST
YaddaYadda

I hopped onto that thread but left quickly as it was nothing but more Israel bashing.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:26 PM EST
kazutam

While I applaud what you are attempting to do, you must realize it's a lost cause, right?

The "demonization" of different groups in a vain attempt to influence politics or world opinion is as old as man and it simply is NOT going to stop.

All you have to do is look at the current political circus in this country.

It is perfectly acceptable in SOME circles to bash you political opponents and call them any and everything, yet let them do the SAME thing towards you and those folks will act like you are the worst monster since Vlad the impaler.

What I personally find absolutely hilarious is that it seems to me to be the "tolerance and acceptance" folks who are the worst offenders.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:59 PM EST
kpr37

that it seems to me to be the "tolerance and acceptance" folks who are the worst offenders.

oftentimes it is

thank you for stopping by

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:09 PM EST
kpr37

Surrounding Israel are theocratic nations, operating on theocratic principles, and the theocracy,they want Jewish blood. They make no bones about it, it's not hidden, it's out there for all the world to see. Just as Hitlers book was available to read, and understand his plans,the Islamic world makes it's intent known as well. It is genocidal.

Who want the Israeli lobby silenced ?

What cant be spoken of ?

Senior Al-Azhar Scholar: The Jews Are 'A Source of Evil and Harm in All Human Societies'

Al-Azhar is the Harvard of the Islamic world, it was by Dr. Isma'il 'Ali Muhammad, head of the Department of Islamic Preaching and Culture at Al-Azhar University.They don't get "Islam" wrong there, they set the agenda.

blood libel anyone

"The Jews' rabbis allow them to kill or butcher certain people, distill their blood, and use it to make the matzahthat is eaten on Passover and on other holidays. One of the most famous incidents of this sort was the murder of father Thomas and his servant Ibrahim 'Amara in Beirut [sic] in 1840.[5] Those involved in this incident, and especially the rabbis who ordered to butcher the two and distill their blood, admitted that it had been done out of religious motives, and that the blood had been used for making matzah... Here we again see the dangerous role played by the Jewish sources, which provide the foundations for their deviant behavior..."[6]

This Is Hamas - حماس - YouTube and that is how they treat their own people, who the claim to protect, The Hamas charter is a genocidal document.Hamas is the Palestinian arm of the Muslim brotherhood. Al-Azhar University has been the source of the Muslim brother hoods ideology from the start of the brother hood.

It's people like this that the Israel lobby, defends Israel against. Shouldn't we give them our support.

Why would liberals support genocidal, misogynist, theocratic anti semites.And altnet is a very liberal site

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:34 AM EST
kpr37

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And let me add on the topic of the Spanish left. Many are the examples that illustrate the anti-Americanism and anti-Israeli sentiments that define the Spanish left. For example, one of the leftist parties in Spain has just expelled one of its members for creating a pro-Israel website. I quote from the expulsion document: “Our friends are the people of Iran,

a theocratic state that kills homosexuals

Libya

that's when Qaddafi was still in power

and Venezuela,

love that little fascist Hugo

oppressed by imperialism, and not a Nazi state like Israel.”

In another example, the socialist mayor of Campozuelos changed ShoahDay, commemorating the victims of the Holocaust, with Palestinian Nabka Day, which mourns the establishment of the State of Israel, thus showing contempt for the six million European Jews murdered in the Holocaust. Or in my native city of Barcelona, the city council decided to commemorate the 60thanniversary of the creation of the State of Israel, by having a week of solidarity with the Palestinian people. Thus, they invited Leila Khaled, a noted terrorist from the 70’s and current leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a terrorist organization so described by the European Union, which promotes the use of bombs against Israel. And so on and so on.

This politically correct way of thinking has even polluted the speeches of president Zapatero. His foreign policy falls within the lunatic left, and on issues of the Middle East he is unequivocally pro Arab. I can assure you that in private, Zapatero places on Israel the blame for the conflict in the Middle East, and the policies of foreign minister Moratinos reflect this. The fact that Zapatero chose to wear a kafiah in the midst of the Lebanon conflict is no coincidence; it’s a symbol.

Spain has suffered the worst terrorist attack in Europe and it is in the crosshairs of every Islamic terrorist organization. As I wrote before, they kill us will cell phones hooked to satellites connected to the Middle Ages. An yet the Spanish left is the most anti Israeli in the world.

And then it says it is anti Israeli because of solidarity. This is the madness I want to denounce in this conference.

Conclusion:

I am not Jewish. Ideologically I am left and by profession a journalist. Why am I not as anti Israeli as my colleagues? Because as a non-Jew I have the historical responsibility to fight against Jewish hatred and currently against the hatred for their historic homeland, Israel. To fight against anti-Semitism is not the duty of the Jews, it is the duty of the non-Jews.

As a journalist it is my duty to search for the truth beyond prejudice, lies and manipulations. The truth about Israel is not told. As a person from the left who loves progress, I am obligated to defend liberty, culture, civic education for children, coexistence and the laws that the Tablets of the Covenant made into universal principles. Principles that Islamic fundamentalism systematically destroys. That is to say that as a non-Jew, journalist and lefty I have a triple moral duty with Israel, because if Israel is destroyed, liberty, modernity and culture will be destroyed too.

The struggle of Israel, even if the world doesn’t want to accept it, is the struggle of the world.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:40 AM EST
kpr37

Who would want information like this silenced, what would their agenda be.

the Israeli lobby speaks out about thing like this. People should be made aware

Iran's Final Solution for Israel - Andrew Bostom - National Review Online

The Persianophilic scholar E. G. Browne wrote those words in the 1920s about the entire pre-Pahlavi period of Shiite theocratic rule, from the ascension of the first Safavid shah, Ismail I, at the outset of the 16th century through Reza Shah Pahlavi’s installation in 1925, at the end of the Qajar dynasty. These Shiite clerics emphasized the notion of the ritual uncleanliness (najis) of Jews in particular, but also of Christians, Zoroastrians, and others, as the cornerstone of relations toward non-Muslims.

things that are (najis) unclean to theocratic Muslims.As referenced by Quran 9;28

84.The following ten things are essentially najis:

  1. Urine
  2. Faeces
  3. Semen
  4. Dead body
  5. Blood
  6. Dog
  7. Pig
  8. Kafir
  9. Alcoholic liquors
  10. The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

The unbeliever or Kaffir is only one step above (or bellow,depending on point of view) a pig,but is less unclean than urine.

Less than human.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:52 AM EST
kpr37

And a differing perspective on the Israel question

When Bob Marley sang, "Exodus, movement of Jah People" he was simultaneously memorializing the Israelites' journey out of Egyptian bondage and making an emotional plea for repatriating the sufferers of slavery. In that one song, a Chai pendant-wearing Marley was making the case for Zionism for both peoples. Back-to-Africa advocate Marcus Garvey told blacks to seek Zion in Ethiopia after he interpreted Psalm 68 ("Princes shall come out of Egypt, and Cush shall stretch forth his hand to God") to mean it was there, not Israel, where the Israelites settled post-Exodus.

Bob Marley Exodus and get up,stand up,don't give up the fight never submit

Theodor Herzl's idea of a quasi socialist, secular Jewish state was to provide a homeland for victims of anti-Semitism and the vicious pogroms in Russia. Soon after the first World Zionist Congress, Britain offered up Uganda (where in 1919 the native Abayudaya converted to Judaism in resistance to European colonialists and missionaries), but would years later agree on Palestine with the Balfour Declaration. In 1914 Garvey wasn't so lucky. His UNIA (United Negro Improvement Association) started the Back To Africa Movement and soon made a deal with Liberia to repatriate black people of the Caribbean and Central and South America, but the host country backed out, and Garvey later lost credibility when he was arrested for mail fraud.

The relationship between these Diasporas is at the heart of both Haim's Awake Zion and reggae culture, no matter how trivially the connection might play out in pop culture (Gwen Stefani's dancehall version of Fiddler On The Roof?). "It's about one's roots and identity, and a sense of home and belonging," Haim sums it up. "Whether you're Jewish, or Rasta, or both, it's about being rooted versus being uprooted." Rasta Guil promotes events that feature Ethiopian, Israeli, and Palestinian youth skanking to the same beat, and, similarly, Awake Zion brought races together when it screened at Makor's "Unity Sessions," which suggest that perhaps Ras Congo Eyal has the right idea when optimistically concluding, "for me Zion is when all people come together."

Daniel Siwek was born in Jamaica, Queens but wants to retire with his Queen in Jamaica (the island). Since that's a long way off, he spends his time writing for snobby-to-shabby rags (like XLR8R, Swindle, the LA Weekly, etc.) and deejaying apartments as Daniel the Jah Lion. With fond memories of being in a Hashomer Hatzair socialist youth camp, he gives a "what up" to Camp Shomria in Liberty NY. Daniel can be reached through www.thcjahlion.com

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:18 PM EST
infrared

a 30% growth in population is not a genocide, it can not be called a genocide in a fact based realistic world.

not its not genocide because genocide is not defined by massive killings with lower populations.

it is defined as:

the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group:

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/genocide?q=genocide+

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:55 AM EST
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J. W. Welch

Actually, demonization of an ethnic, religious or other group of people who are perceived as different usually comes from those with delusions of superiority who are, in fact, so far down the social and educational ladder that they find it necessary to create a lower class in order to raise their own stature. Most of the time they fail to choose wisely and wind up looking the fool.

The subsequent ostracism and contempt they encounter from the wider society only serves to increase the frustration and hatred for their chosen scape goats. They remain stupid and socially under developed even though they may not always look the part.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:33 PM EST
kpr37

They remain stupid and socially under developed even though they may not always look the part.

very well said, thank you.

    #2.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:43 PM EST
    J. W. Welch

    n

      #2.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:49 PM EST
      kpr37

      even though they may not always look the part

      this is from a progressive" or " liberal "site. Would they publish the open letter from the KKK and David Duke.

      how are they different ?

      http://www.alternet.org/media/154131/dear_israel_lobby,_we_give_up_--_please_give_us_an_acceptable_way_of_insulting_you/

      it does not look like stormfront

        #2.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST
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        kpr37

        here is a link to the Jewish anti-defamation league http://helpmenow.newsvine.com/

        if anyone wants to join

        it has nothing to do with Judaism, it's secular, I'm an Irish pagan.

          Reply#3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:05 PM EST
          J. W. Welch

          Me too. County Kilkenny.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:27 PM EST
          kpr37

          I'm Kevin, from tuath i nGaoth Dobhair nice to meet you.

          • 1 vote
          #4.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:43 PM EST
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