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Peace on Earth Goodwill toward Man: and then my mind turns to Darfur (thoughts, memories, things that make you want to cry)

Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:34 PM EST
us-news, africa, islam, jihad, genocide, sharia-law, janjaweed, the-sudan, devils-on-horseback
By kpr37
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Some things change how you look at the world.They just do.

And after such an occurrence happens, you can never see things in quite the same light again. For me, just such an occasion was the arrival of a New National Geographic magazine a few years ago. One sentence in particular from the article stopped me cold in my tracks.

The Janjaweed may toss your kids into vats of boiling water as they had done to children in another village, and the Sudanese Air Force may bomb your wretched fields as they had before, killing five of your family members.

I could not stop myself. I instantly thought of the utter helplessness of a small child, screaming uncontrollably as they hit the boiling water and I could not get this tragically poignant, and deeply disturbing image out of my mind. No matter how hard I tried. The vision was reminiscent of a horror film. Yet I knew this was not words or images of fantasy merely cast upon a silver screen. It is,tragically, all too real.

At this point I had never seen a need to Question the reporting of the magazine. I has vaguely aware that the conflict was ongoing, and historical in nature. But, for what ever reason, it had never really been clearly focused into my consciousness.That mental image changed that,and it changed me. And how I look at life. I soon learned to question many things that beforehand I took for granted.

As I read through the article, I had to find the answer, "what drives a man" to toss a child into boiling water. There were hints in the article, but that's all they were. Some things, I can only assume, can not be printed. (I had to know why !)

I went back to the section that first caught my eye. I found, what I thought were troubling phrasings, and out of place comments in that section, as well as other parts of the article.

Women have been singled out for maximum violence in Darfur.Mass rapes by the janjaweed are systematic and well documented. As part of a Sudanese campaign of ethnic cleansing, women have been burned alive, shot, bayoneted, and dumped down wells.

what follows, in my mind, does not fit well, or as it logically should.

These stories, too, would be recorded in their fields. Lying in the hut, I imagined flying low over the savannas of Darfur and reading the women’s lives inscribed in plots of millet, peanuts, and sorghum. (See that row of melons ending abruptly at midfield? A Fur grandmother dropped her seed bucket and ran at the sound of approaching hoof beats.)

Here, instead of further informing the reader (journalism) as to the (Who,What, where ,and why) of the murder,rape and ethnic cleanings, the writer slips quickly into quasi-surrealist, personal delusion.( a swift visual,as well as topical change) Agriculture ?that follows bayoneted women, some shot, some burned alive. (nice slide of hand)

I'm sure that the humans living in, or in many cases, dieing there.Wish as well, to be, as an airplane, flying over and high above the shattered pieces of a ever quickening and fading earthly existence. They however, are not capable of an escape.As you Paul Salopek, are capable of doing, when ever you wish to. They often times remain present, well past even death,as only the sun-bleached bones of human corpses, littering the once fertile and productive fields of their African ancestors.

In Towé the women were Zaghawasemi nomads. The laughing one was named Fatim Yousif Zaite. She wasn’t crazy.

No, not crazy, surviving an ongoing genocide. That may in fact put people off their stride. (at least where I'm from)

She was 40, with the burning, clairvoyant gaze of the starving, and a smile that transmitted the innocence of her heart.

or the gaze of a woman struggling to comprehend the actions of her fellow man, and the lack of humanity displayed. ( the thousand yard stare, is in common in soldiers, and mothers who have seen their children slughtered before their very eyes)

She brought me gourds of asida, a yellow lentil paste she could hardly afford to share. Once, while untied to eat, I grabbed both her dusty hands in mine. She sprang back in fear.But I only wanted to thank you, Fatim.

You will always be with me.The Janjaweed may toss your kids into vats of boiling water as they had done to children in another village, and the Sudanese Air Force may bomb your wretched fields as they had before, killing five of your family members. But for three days in Darfur you were my mother.

I would tell "truthfully", and with great candor, the story of these people, were it, My Mother."Dude"

But instead, we find a Pulitzer prize winner, projecting an agenda. As opposed to accurately reporting on the world's largest continuing genocide.(I do not claim knowledge of what his agenda is, I am only pointing out the clear presence of an agenda in the article.)

With a little investigation on my own. I find this an attempt to muddy the waters,to confuse the idle reader, who wont dig deeper, who has no background in the conflict, to base an independently arrived at opinion on.

The second part of my new found revulsion, of the modern practice known as reporting, occurred here in the Article.

I think it is here as well , where the scope of an agenda, starts to become clear.

Gaga refugee camp, Chad

My journey began among refugees in eastern Chad. This is where I met George Bush’s father.

As most any old progressive liberal will be more than willing to tell you, George Bush is a racist, Islamophobic, hate monger. Why on G * d's green earth would an African Muslim, name his child George Bush.I asked myself that very question as well.

Bush tyrannized his family’s small plot of sand.

Just as president Bush was known as the man who tyrannized America, the evil "little Bush" had tyrannized his family, who are victims of a genocide. You should hate the little two year old boy ?

I ask myself immediately, why is this harshly "descriptive" word used in this context. This little kid is a victim. Surely if there is a "entity" guilty off having "tyrannized" these poor, destitute humans, it would be the Janjaweed, or the "Islamic" government of the Sudan.Who is in control of the murderous militia . Not a Two year old child.

(victim and oppressor, it is so hard to tell them apart, in the modern day and age,isn't ?)

He threw his mother’s battered dishes to the ground, pulled on visitors’ noses, and scampered away giggling. He got away with this because he was an only son.

A two year old boy who is mischievous, at best, is used as nothing more than a prop here. He does not, seem to me (as described),to be a living child,who may survive long in this life. He is just (an object to be used) in a way for the very skilled writer, to divert the attention of your eye. Much in the manner of a skilled magician.

My brain is starting to whisper to me, something is just not right with this narrative. What is it ?

His elder sister, age four, despised him. Bush was fat-cheeked and two.

Is this a capitalist, two year old African child, Growing fat off the suffering of those he oppresses with great "tyranny" ?

How much time did this Pulitzer prize winner spend with this family in the refugee camp to gain the certain knowledge, or enough insight, to publish the definitive conclusion, that he is despised by his sister ?

If he is in fact "DESPISED" by a four year old sibling, why is it relevant to this atrocity being inflicted on this family, in a "war zone" ?

We first are introduced to a two year old African child in a refugee camp,and the words carefuly chosen and used to describe the child, are that he "tyrannized" people and was "despised" by some ?

lastly we get informed, that this little child in a refugee camp, is fat-cheeked. Can anyone else see a pattern developing.

Other than the name, can it be explained why a two year old child, who is in fact,most probably starving to death,is demonized in such a manner.

Should a starving child in an African refugee camp, be demonized by a white American Pulitzer prize winner. For any reason whatsoever, under the sun ?

He is a starving child in Africa for G*d's sake, with an unfortunate name, and nothing more substantial revealed, separating him from the other unfortunate starving children in the camp.

In the opening description of the Gaga refugee camp,or in the opening narrative presented if you will, an award winning "white" writer, is describing a "black" Child ( an innocent victim of a genocide), as Tyrannical, despised and fat cheeked. (is everybody, Ok, with that approach ?)

Is he attempting to develop any sympathy in the reader by introducing the two year old victim of a genocide in this manner ?

If he is not, what was was his agenda. I see this as a legitimate question.

“Boosh!” the refugees cooed. “Boosh-ka!” He was clearly a great camp favorite.

"George Bush" is a favorite in a Muslim refugee camp?

Why would the other refugees "like" this clearly, and earlier described, Evil little bastard.

a Pulitzer prize winning journalist, has just looked into the little African refugee child's soul, and found it wanting in humanity ?

Powerful writers can emotionally affect the reader. He just attempted this. Can you see it ? Do you care ?

This was in the Gaga settlement, where more than 7,000 Darfuris lived and died under UN canvas.“Only George Bush can stop the Arabs in our land,” said Bush’s papa, Ahmed Juma Abakar. He corralled the boy in his lap.

“When he grows up, he will help kill them.”

The only way that this man (poorly educated, as he may be),is perhaps capable of expressing his understanding of an end to this human tragedy.That he is personally, and presently suffering, is an end to the people, actively engaged in causing his suffering ( I personally can understand,if not agree,with the statement)

should this man of simple African roots,struggling to survive, be expected to hold a New York sophisticates, cosmopolitan opinion, on conflict resolution, in line with recorded United Nations norms, and protocols ?

The idea that the victim, must at all times show civilized restraint so as not to be judged morally equivalent with the perpetrator.Is in fact claiming people should help in the self- suicide, of the oppressed populous. ( a fundamental law of nature) " for each action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". Often forgotten in the modern commentary, is that it carries weight, in inner human relations as well as physics.

(adding this quote, is in my opinion an attempt at moral equivalence )suggesting that the people undergoing a genocide want to kill the people, committing the genocide ? in the same manner, as the ones committing the true, and real genocide.

Could this possibly be used to suggest the concept, that it is now morally acceptable if the reader, were to ,"Pretty Please" draw the conclusion, that there is no right, or wrong ?

No real killers, no well defined victim, only different shades of gray.

REALLY ?

see photos in article, and see if you can separate the victim from the killers,imagine that, it's not that hard if you try.

Multiple lines of identity were braided through Abakar. He was a coffee-colored African with a puff of white hair on his chin. He was a Masalit, a member of one of the African farming tribes driven out of Darfur at gunpoint by the janjaweed, the Arab nomads armed by the Arab-dominated government of Sudan. He detested Arabs. Yet he himself spoke Arabic. He also served sugary tea in shot glasses like an Arab, wore a white Arabic robe, and prayed five times a day toward Mecca. I, too, find this puzzling.

Here, I just cant take it any longer. "I, too, find this entire article puzzling."

So I take over, in a feeble attempt to show compassion and sympathy to the victims of this human tragedy and at the same time, tell the same story, using the words and descriptions of situations, used in the original article of a Pulitzer prize winner. I'm a roofer/ stone mason, and I add my own sources with links in support of my findings .

But I due wish to attempt to draw you into this world of "little George Bush", if only for a moment ,if you'll let me. To feel the people and events. I start here in the article with my rewrite. If you are stuck in Africa, with not enough food and others trying to kill you, who do you want to tell your story to the world. Me or a Pulitzer prize winner ? please read both accounts first, and be honest.

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Gaga refugee camp, Chad

This journey began on a road in Eastern Chad. Along the way I heard of a proud and resilient people. This is where I'm told I will meet George Bush's father. Soon upon entering the camp I'm pointed to a mischievous, and healthy looking boy I judged to be about two. As he scampered through the sand, cries of "Boosh" "Boosh" "Boosh-Ka" followed, as I did myself, he was clearly a great camp favorite. This is the Gaga settlement where 7000 men, woman and children live or die under a harsh African equatorial sun,shaded only by U.N. canvas.

Ahmed reached out, embracing his son, pulling him to his lap. He said 'Boosh George Bush" I, too, find this puzzling. He smiled, holding his son in his arms, offering what little security he could in an environment measured in days and weeks, and sometimes only in your ability to find food for you and your family to eat. Ahmed Juma Abkar is a man, I feel privileged,and lucky to meet. Ahmed is a dark skinned African "Muslim ' and a HUMAN BEING as well.

He is also a "Masalit"descended from one the original farming tribes who inhabited this part of Africa. Now being driven out of Darfur,their ancestral home lands,at gun point, by the Janjaweed'

Arab nomads armed by the Iranian influenced, Arab dominated, government of Sudan. In December 1991 Iranian President Rafsanjai paid an official visit to the Sudan. He agreed to pay 300 million dollars to China for weapons to be delivered, directly to the Sudan this was the price paid to allow a contingent of two thousand Iranian revolutionary guards entrance joining 6,000 'Qods force's members headquartered in the Shambat and Koravi regions.

Now in Darfur the violence is infamous, caused by the political-ideological retraining of the Arab Sundanese These two rivals, both Muslim had evolved a complex understanding of how to live together. But a ten pound machine, with eleven moving parts, has dropped the value of a human life to seven cents. The price of the bullets, that go in to the Kalashnikovs, only to emerge latter, slightly damp after passing through the body's of the freshly dead.

--Young men who once sang songs to their favorite cows now serenaded their guns "Your Kalashwill save your life \ without a Kalash your burnt trash"

But I saw no cows. The janjaweed in 1996 on the pretext of rebellion, came calling using aircraft and armored vehicles they managed to eradicate seven Masalit villages, taking 4,000 head of cattle as a prize in a single day.killing, raping and burning, all of the native Masalits, that they found along the way.

more from the article

"I asked when Arabs and Africans would be brothers again. Abakar looked at me with genuine incredulity. He then tuned his transistor radio to the BBC. The Israelis were bombing Lebanon. Allah-u akbar! the old Muslim tribesman said, cheering on the Israel Defense Forces. He raised George Bushs chubby little arms in triumph."

Ahmed seemed to hate the northern Arabs claiming 'only George Bush can save our land', his fondest wish was to have little "Boosh-ka" live long enough to 'kill but one Janjaweed'.

I asked Ahemed, when Arabs and Africans will again live as brothers. He said nothing only stared at me "as if I were a fool or simpleton" He then tuned his transistor radio to the BBC. the Israelis were bombing Lebanon . "Allah-u Akbar" The old Muslim tribesman said, cheering on the Israel Defense Forces. I sat, stunned, in silance.( contemplating the reasons behind the clear Israeli, Zionist support) After taking a few minutes to regain my composure. I asked Ahmed Juma, what caused this genocide ? He said we are now 'the other' and in their practice and understanding of Islam, they may kill, rape, and enslaved us, and in your understanding of Islam, I inquired.

He said they may not

Later after praying toward Mecca, as he did five times a day. He served sugary tea in shot glasses like a Arab. He said he liked the Jews.

they were the "ultimate other".

The Muslim men of this camp "might have" sat and wondered if Majid Kamal (you can't have a good genocide with out men like him) formerly of Hezbollah in the Be-kaa Vally, Lebanon who had trained many of the Janjaweed in Darfur, might have went back to visit, but it did not seem to matter to him. or the other Muslim men, he raised George Bush's thin little arms in triumph.

I worry for little 'Boosk-Ka,'when will the sand's of the Sahel call out for more blood, to feed the ground on one of the most enduring killing fields in human history.

An old genocide, reborn for a new century.

---"WAR IS NOT PEACE' ---'FREEDOM IS NOT SLAVERY"---- "IGNORANCE IS NOT STRENGTH "

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Sudan Would Become Islamic if South Secedes, Leader Says - NYTimes.com

JUBA, Sudan — President Omar Hassan al-Bashir promised Sunday to turn Sudan into a state governed by Islamic law if the south chooses to secede in a referendum next month.

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Reply#1 - Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:37 PM EST
kpr37

"Masalit"

THE SECOND ALLIGATION OF THE REGIM:

The regime alleged that Islam could not be extended inside Africa except through the Arabs, and that there are threats to Arabism, and the Arabic extension and domination is impossible unless be strengthened by ruling elements in these entrance, for these the Arabic elements are the bases and the implementing foundation for this claim. The regime also thought that the non Arabic elements can support the rebels of Sudan People Liberation Army led by Dr. John Garang De Mabur, they put an example of the activist Daud Yahya Bolad who is from the Fur, whom the regime has eliminated in the bushes of Darfur, while trying to deliver weapons to protect his people from racial extermination.

The Arabs have played the main roll in suppressing Daud’s movement, the authority gave Arabs weapons in the range of about hundred (100,000) thousands pieces of weapons, this figure was disclosed by then the governor of Darfur at that period, Altyeb Ibrahim Mahamad Khaier, the government never collected even a piece from them since then.

From then onwards the authority allowed the Arabs to do as much as their wishes, they looted and killed nobody ask them, the government restrained securities organs, it even directed them to assist and protect the aggressive Arabic elements to fulfill their sins objectives.

THE SECOND SECTOR:

THE ARAB ALLIANCE, SECTOR:

This sector was started by those who thought that Arab elements should dominate the Africans elements in Sudan, the alliance have worked to integrate with the regime which finally agreed, on the bases that both of them are working to originate and fixed Arabism and to some extend the Islam in Sudan, the alliance moved even to Arab countries, they received enormous amount of money from them, the alliance also succeed in convincing Arab countries about mistake of completely depending on the petroleum because it may finish sooner or latter, and most of them are desert countries, therefore they (the Arabs in Sudan) wants to control so as to extend it inside Africa in order to open the door in future for the Arabs investors to come to invest and live in Africa, these ideas convinced Arab countries, forming new insights, duly they give the Arabic alliance whatever their financial requirements needs.

For these there are many examples …

In Darfur forces were established, named the Janjaweed with the same duty of the peace forces in the south, in order to prevent any attack against the government, since there is no rebellion in Darfur the Janjaweed play the roll, apparently they were accused as an outlawed bandage group composed from different tribes, but secretly and practically they are under the sponsorship and protection of the government through the security organs. Therefore the government and the Arab alliance met in the objective of break up and eliminating Africans elements and to control their land and power, it is mentioned in the comprehensive national strategic 1992-2002 first volume, under the strategic of population: Redistribution of population in a way that can achieve developments and strengthening the national security, therefore the results of meeting and brotherhood between the regime and the Arab Alliance, that they carried out the following eliminations:

1- General extermination, burning and earth scorching of African elements.

2- Possession and resettlement of Arabs element on these lands.

3- In order to cover and protect the Arabs, the regime did the following:

  1. Officially it armed the Janjaweed, recognizing them as a regular force, so that no body can opposed their deeds or accused or think to trail them for their crimes.
  2. Commitments of the armed force and securities organs to accept any requests by the Arab alliance and the Janjaweed forces, by supporting them in operations such of killing, burning and looting. They are protected by these governmental organs till they return to their bases, carrying their booted items.
  3. The use of military airplane from nearby Arabs countries to strike African elements, in their villages assuming that they are rebels.
  4. Armament of all Arab tribes in Darfur, the issuing of identities cards carrying details of the peace force, latter they were re-named to the Boundaries Intelligence, and official files were opened for them. By these power possessed by Janjaweed, they kill whoever they wants, they looted whoever they wants, nobody asked their deeds, because they become everything.

THE CONSEQUENCES ON AFRICAN ELEMENTS:

- Extermination and displacements after looting belongs and burning homes.

- Forcibly displaced them to neighbor countries.

- Displaced to big cities, where they are living in bad conditions, where they are subjecting aggressions from Arabs.

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#1.1 - Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:40 AM EST
kpr37

And does anybody else think that some further explanation for this comment, as well as the name of Ahmed Juma Abkar's son, (George Bush) would have been nice. I am sure there must have been an interesting story behind that.

Do you think the Journalist "?" got the story behind the quotes ?

and was unwilling to share ? (LOL) if so, why ?

"I asked when Arabs and Africans would be brothers again. Abakar looked at me with genuine incredulity. He then tuned his transistor radio to the BBC. The Israelis were bombing Lebanon. Allah-u akbar! the old Muslim tribesman said, cheering on the Israel Defense Forces. He raised George Bush's chubby little arms in triumph."

Why is this Muslim man, and the others in the camp, happy, Israel is bombing Lebanon and Hezbollah ?

are they being persecuted for an improper Islamic ,lack of hate ? practicing a real "religion of peace" ?

and lastly, WHY is THIS MUSLIM FAMILY not in America, and so many Jihadist seem to be new arrivals ?

should it not be, these America and Israel ,loving Muslims we should be giving our resources to, as opposed to Hamas ,and Pakistan ? and people who hate us.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:50 AM EST
krishna-167929

JUBA, Sudan — President Omar Hassan al-Bashir promised Sunday to turn Sudan into a state governed by Islamic law if the south chooses to secede in a referendum next month.

And the Islamists may try to start a violent war against the blacks in the south-- even more barbaric then what they have done in the past (if that's even possible).

In the past, the genocidal actions of al Bashir have been defended by others-- for example countries such as the increasing Islamist Turkey: Erdogan Defends al-Bashir, Says Muslims Incapable of Genocide.

Hopefully these countries will not encourage-- or provide military assistance-- in an attempt to stop the south from gaining their freedom.

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#1.3 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:09 PM EST
krishna-167929

In the past, the genocidal actions of al Bashir have been defended by others-- for example countries such as the increasing Islamist Turkey: Erdogan Defends al-Bashir, Says Muslims Incapable of Genocide.

Hopefully these countries will not encourage-- or provide military assistance-- in an attempt to stop the south from gaining their freedom.

However, the good news is-- there are also groups working towards preventing that sort of thing from happening :-)

Clooney, Google, UN team up to watch Sudan border

A group founded by American actor George Clooney said Tuesday it has teamed up with Google, a U.N. agency and anti-genocide organizations to launch satellite surveillance of the border between north and south Sudan to try to prevent a new civil war after the south votes in a secession referendum next month.

(LINK)

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#1.4 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:11 PM EST
kpr37

an interesting article from Israel

Sudan-The Story Within the Story - Op-Eds - Israel National News

The atrocities committed in Darfur are Arab racism and chauvinism, pure and simple, being conducted by those very same folks who like to lecture the rest of the world about "racist Zionism."

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#1.5 - Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:15 PM EST
kpr37

A CNN report on slavery in the Sudan

http://bankoran.com/?p=159

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#1.6 - Wed Mar 9, 2011 12:23 PM EST
kpr37

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38451595/

UNITED NATIONS — The U.N. Security Council will publish a delayed report on breaches of an arms embargo in Sudan's western Darfur despite previous objections from an angry China, U.N. envoys said.

The confidential report, which Reuters saw half a year ago, said Khartoum committed multiple breaches of the embargo and China had done little to ensure its weaponry was not used in Darfur.

"China has lifted its ban on that (report)," a senior Western diplomat said on Wednesday.

It is not illegal to supply weapons to Khartoum, but states are required to have so-called "end-use" guarantees from the Sudanese government that the arms will not end up in Darfur. Many weapons and much ammunition reach Darfur regardless of such guarantees, the experts' report says.

The report describes how markings on most of the 18 types of bullet casings found at scenes of attacks against U.N./African Union peacekeepers indicated they were manufactured in China. But it did not say the Chinese government was necessarily to blame.

China had reacted angrily to the report and refused to allow the Security Council's Sudan sanctions committee to formally pass it to council members so that they could consider taking action, envoys said. It later agreed to allow the council to consider the report but not publish it.

U.N. sanctions committees work on the basis of consensus, which means each member has a virtual veto. As a result of China's decision to block it, the report was withheld from the public for nearly six months.

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#1.7 - Wed Mar 9, 2011 7:21 PM EST
kpr37

discouraging news to report

Amum, secretary general of the south's ruling Sudan People's Liberation Movement (SPLM), on Saturday told journalists in Khartoum the north was arming and training militias to try and topple the southern government before secession.

Senior National Congress Party (NCP) official Rabie Abdelati dismissed the accusation as "ridiculous."

"ridiculous" was one of the words often used to describe the actual and ongoing genocide, that has been largely ignored in the MSM

On Sunday, Amum told journalists in the southern capital Juba: "The NCP have been arming Arab tribes along the border of the north and south ... so they carry out genocide like they have done to the African people in Darfur. This is what they want to do again.

"We call on the Security Council to stop this genocide which is impending ... This policy of genocide must stop."

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_news/2011/03/13/6258438-south-sudan-accuses-north-of-planning-genocide

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#1.8 - Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:21 AM EDT
krishna-167929

Looks like he may soon get his way:

South Sudan's flag raised symbolizing membership as 193rd UN member state

UNITED NATIONS, July 14 (Xinhua) -- Surrounded by masses of UN personnel and media in the blazing sun, South Sudan's flag was raised here on Thursday marking the admission of world's newest country as the 193rd member of the United Nations.

The flag is rising "over our shared capital, the capital of the international community, here at the UN," UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said addressing the audience at the flag-raising ceremony.

South Sudan's Vice President Riek Machar hailed the day as " historic" and "emotional."

"We're humbled that we're now part of the world community," Machar said.

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#1.9 - Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:07 AM EDT
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larrrs

Outstanding!


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#2 - Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:19 AM EST
kpr37

thank you, glad you liked it.

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#2.1 - Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:15 AM EST
kpr37

http://afrol.com/News/sud017_media_neglects.htm this is an older article

afrol.com, 19 November - At the opening this week of the exhibit entitled "Genocide Warning: Sudan" by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, Jeff Drumtra from the US Committee for Refugees made a powerful speech criticizing the press for its "professional negligence on the matter of Sudan".

or outright distortion and printing of subjectively, and objectively questionable materiel.

- Thank you to the few journalists who are here this afternoon at this press briefing, was the bitter opening remark by Drumtra, which has been fighting windmills for years to make the public aware of the tragedy taking place at Government hands in Sudan. The US media have shown little interest in the campaign of the renown US Committee for Refugees, and non-US media has shown skepticism, as to the "US" prefix of the committee, knowing too well that the US is not the best place to obtain objective data about Sudan.

after reading the national geographic article I can not dispute this statement

The US Committee for Refugees, however, is one of the best sources to obtain data about the conflict in Sudan, as they are present in the war zone and as they operate on an independent basis. Actually, the committee is far more outspoken than the UN and its scandalized Norwegian Special Envoy for Humanitarian Affairs in the Sudan, Tom Vraalsen, a diplomat more interested in maintaining good contacts with Khartoum than actually meeting with the"Human Garbage" (in Drumtra's words) constituting the victims.

Not surprisingly, that's how the Islamist controlled janjaweed think of the human beings living in Darfur.

Addressing the "professional journalistic irresponsibility"

the linked article would be a good source that could be used as an example

of the media neglecting the Sudanese genocide, Drumtra told the surprised journalists: "Journalists cover events that are extraordinary. Events that are unprecedented. Events that set records. Sudan is full of records - awful, grisly records. Sudan is full of headlines - grim headlines. Yet American journalism largely ignores Sudan." He went on asking "In what way is Sudan not worthy of coverage?"

Israel can not be blamed

Indeed, Drumtra knew to present the media with headlines: "2 million Sudanese people have died of war-related causes in the past 17 years. That's more deaths than in Kosovo, Bosnia, Rwanda, Chechnya, Indonesia, and Sierra Leone combined," he could inform. "During Sudan's war, an estimated average of 300 people have died each day, day after day, for 17 years.

That's not a story that merits coverage?"

Thats nothing like Israel blowing up with a hellfire missile, two or three terrorists launching rockets at a civilian population every few months.

- Here's another headline, he went on: "At least 115 times this year, civilian and humanitarian targets in southern Sudan have been bombed by Sudanese government planes.

At least 115 times this year, Sudanese government planes have deliberately dropped bombs on towns,

villages,

hospitals,

schools,

health clinics,

displacement camps,

and relief food distributions in Sudan - locations with absolutely no military significance.

That's not worthy of journalistic coverage?" he asked. Further, "this year Sudanese government planes have bombed UN relief aircraft on the ground.

That's not a headline?"

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#2.2 - Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:03 AM EST
larrrs

Your welcome kpr37.

I can't actually say I liked your article though...it made me uncomfortable and uneasy. No as a matter of fact I did not enjoy reading this at all and have to admit that after reading this link I was slightly ill of body, mind and heart and took a break for a few hours. It makes me ashamed of myself and of us as a species and I have to ask the same question..."how could someone do these things to another human being"? Phrases and pictures keep popping up into my head and I have had a difficult time trying to shake myself out of it.

This is the perfect article for Christmas ; Jesus is not under my tree, hangin' at the mall or mixin' it up at the office party.

He's in Darfur weeping.

Thank you my Pagan friend and many blessing to you and yours.

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#2.3 - Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:07 AM EST
kpr37

I can't actually say I liked your article though..

sorry

.it made me uncomfortable and uneasy.

deep uncomfortable thoughts often do that.

I tried to get people to stop and think, it's not just the soup kitchen people who are unfortunate this Holiday season. Some people in the world would trade places with them in a hart beat.

No as a matter of fact I did not enjoy reading this at all and have to admit that after reading this link I was slightly ill of body, mind and heart and took a break for a few hours.

thats how I felt after reading the national geographic years ago.

It makes me ashamed of myself and of us as a species and I have to ask the same question..."how could someone do these things to another human being"?

mans inhumanity toward man continues to amaze

Phrases and pictures keep popping up into my head and I have had a difficult time trying to shake myself out of it.

things like whats is happening, can only continue if other refuse to discuss it.

evil thrives if good men don't oppose it.

This is the perfect article for Christmas ;

I was hoping at least one person (thank you ) would feel that way, and not hate me for publishing in now.

but it is in sort of an answer, for the Christian Crusading article of ast week.

Jesus is not under my tree, hangin' at the mall or mixin' it up at the office party.

He's in Darfur weeping.

something is giving them people strength.

Mohammad Ali the leader of Egypt, came up with the idea (and enforced it with an army) in the early 1800s ( the Sudan was the land of pillage and Jihad) all resources and people inhabiting the region were declared "PROPERTY" Of "allah" to be exploited as the Muslim conquerors choose. That is a historical fact

The Africans had no choice in the matter. Mohammad in Cairo, decided the future course of action, and no one, right up to this present date, has questioned the wisdom of his decision.

I will here... it sucked !!!

the Madhi after him (in the late 1800s), killed hundreds of thousands, before the British stopped him, Kitchner avenged the beheading of General "Chinese" Gordon, who was attempting to end the slave trade there. Cant have that now can we ? pesky westerners.

Interesting that the slave trade has yet to end in that part of Africa. It really has not.

cant be the Jihad,can it.

Thank you my Pagan friend and many blessing to you and yours.

Merry Christmas !!

sorry for the timing

but what better time to take the lives of the unfortunates among us to hart.

Plus unisef has a campaign now for darfur.

from the first link

I don't where you are from, how old you are, if you are a girl, a boy, a woman or a man... but I know you have a heart because you are a human. Then I hope these pictures created a feeling of anger...

Make a donation : for the UNICEF.
for genocideintervention.net.
for Savedarfur.org.

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#2.4 - Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:14 AM EST
larrrs

but what better time to take the lives of the unfortunates among us to hart.

There is none better.

Make a donation : for the UNICEF.
for genocideintervention.net.
for Savedarfur.org.

done

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#2.5 - Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:33 AM EST
Perrie

Well done kpr! You did a brilliant job!

I have been waving this flag for a very long time. How the world can look away from this genocide is just beyond me. How the media just ignores it, is also just beyond me. I guess it's a case of "If it doesn't concern us, we are not concerned". Besides, most of the world doesn't care about Africans. They have no resources to offer, other than diamonds, and even those are covered in blood. It was so well said in the movie "Hotel Rwanda":

Colonel Oliver: [explaining why the world will not intervene] You're black. You're not even a @!$%#. You're an African.

I think that says it all.

I will be adding your save Dafur to our annual donation list.

  • 3 votes
#2.6 - Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:36 PM EST
Perrie

Larrs,

Thanks for the heads up on this article. It is outstanding!

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#2.7 - Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:37 PM EST
kpr37

How the media just ignores it,

in this article from yesterday, it just is not mentioned at all. some people need to pretend there is no evil in the word

Jimmy Carter vs. guinea worm: Sudan is last battle

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#2.8 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:58 AM EST
krishna-167929

How the world can look away from this genocide is just beyond me. How the media just ignores it, is also just beyond me.

I also wondered about that. I think in many cases the answer is quite simple-- its because the victims are black. Mnay people show concern when the victims of atrocities are white-- but when they are not, many people simply do not care!

  • 6 votes
#2.9 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:49 AM EST
kpr37

I also wondered about that. I think in many cases the answer is quite simple-- its because the victims are black

respect for our fellow humans from the Continent,that we all originaly came from. is prevalent still to this day.Some parts of the world,little has changed.

Other Arab/Indian/Iranian writers

"Of the neighbors of the Bujja, Maqdisi had heard that "there is no marriage among them; the child does not know his father, and they eat people -- but God knows best. As for the Zanj, they are people of black color, flat noses, kinky hair, and little understanding or intelligence."

Maqdisi, also known as Al-Muqaddasi (fl. 966 AD), Kitab al-Bad' wah-tarikh, vol.4

"The geographer al-Idrisi ascribes 'lack of knowledge and defective minds' to the black peoples. Their ignorance, he says, is notorious; men of learning and distinction are almost unknown among them, and their kings only acquire what they know about government and justice from the instruction of learned visitors from farther north."6

Making the next question, obvious . Why when African men, appear before the United Nations and complain about the ongoing human rights violations, is it ignored ? could it be the organization of Islamic states ?

The last major case took place in the early 19th century when Muhammad Ali [1805 - 49], an Ottoman soldier of Albanian descent, was attempting to create an army to make himself independent of Ottoman rule. In 1820 he sent both his son and son-in-law south from Egypt on military campaigns to capture young African males whom he wanted to enslave and then train to serve as his new army.

Slavery is part of the jihad (the booty), it is also part of the open U.N. record. I have a seeded article regarding this.

Sudan. On 23 March 1999 he was twice stopped on a ‘point of order’ by the delegation of Sudan before he could ask a key question on genocidal character of the war in Sudan” In 1992, the regime in Khartoum declared Jihad in Khartoum against the people of southern Sudan and the Nuba mountains. Since then, Jihad has been declared again and again.

I ask this very important question: is the Jihad a religious right of those who declare and wage it or is it a violation of the human rights of the people against whom it is declared and waged?] (21)

[A day later the former Sudanese Prime Minister Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi sent his letter to Mary Robinson, in which he referred to Jihad and slavery in Sudan – his letter was widely circulated at the Commission. Under the title, War Crimes, he asked (his 5th question): “Is it legitimate for the ruling regime in an Islamic State to call for a JIHAD against its citizens, be they Muslims or Christians?” He concluded by writing that: although no one would justify slavery today, under shar’ia, “the traditional concept of JIHAD does allow slavery as a by-product.”]

one last quote from the first link

"Like the crow among mankind are the Zanj for they are the worst of men and the most vicious of creatures in character and temperament."7

Al Jahiz, Kitab al-Hayawan, vol. 2

  • 5 votes
#2.10 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:18 AM EST
Elaine-1503791

At the moment I am quite speechless and can only mirror Larrrs comment #2.3 as my sentiments exactly, and I couldn't have said it any better. Kpr37, this story has changed me as well, thank you for your courage to present it to our comfortable world.

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#2.11 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:23 PM EST
larrrs

from...

part of the jihad (the booty),

----------------------

Five hundred years ago, Jews, Christians and Muslims agreed that owning slaves was acceptable but paying interest on money was not. After bitter, protracted debates, Jews and Christians changed their minds. Today, no Jewish or Christian body endorses slavery or has religious qualms about paying reasonable interest. Muslims, in contrast, still think the old way. Slavery still exists in a host of majority-Muslim countries (especially Sudan and Mauritania, also Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) and it is a taboo subject. To enable pious Muslims to avoid interest, an Islamic financial industry worth an estimated $150 billion has developed. The challenge ahead is clear: Muslims must emulate their fellow monotheists by modernizing their religion with regard to slavery, interest and much else. No more fighting jihad to impose Muslim rule. No more endorsement of suicide terrorism. No more second-class citizenship for non-Muslims.

  • 4 votes
#2.12 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:44 PM EST
kpr37

Five hundred years ago, Jews, Christians and Muslims agreed that owning slaves was acceptable but paying interest on money was not

an interesting look at what the early Christian thought and how they acted, from a pagan source.

Meanwhile, in the case of those who were denounced to me as Christians, I have observed the following procedure: I interrogated these as to whether they were Christians; those who confessed I interrogated a second and a third time, threatening them with punishment; those who persisted I ordered executed. For I had no doubt that, whatever the nature of their creed, stubbornness and inflexible obstinacy surely deserve to be punished. There were others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.

Soon accusations spread, as usually happens, because of the proceedings going on, and several incidents occurred. An anonymous document was published containing the names of many persons. Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ--none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do--these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.

They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god,

and to bind themselves by oath,

not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery,

not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so.

When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food--but ordinary and innocent food.

pretty tame folks, if you ask me

Even this, they affirmed, they had ceased to do after my edict by which, in accordance with your instructions, I had forbidden political associations. Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses. But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition.

(ps) modern pagans no longer believe it's ok to torture Christian to death

http://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/jod/texts/pliny.html

Tacitus from 115 AD, follow ups with more history in Annals 1544 solving forever the mystery (anti-semitic lie) who killed Jesus. (for anyone interested) no mention of a Jewish influence at all, an imperial Roman decision.

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#2.13 - Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:05 AM EST
larrrs

Do you know what this means?

to assemble again to partake of food--but ordinary and innocent food.

Was this a reference to the Christian Sacrament of Communion?

...anonymously posted accusations ought to have no place in any prosecution. For this is both a dangerous kind of precedent and out of keeping with the spirit of our age.

(from http://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/jod/texts/pliny.html)

Really interesting discussion and kinda foreshadows some of our modern ideas of law. It also illustrates that the choice to execute Jesus was one that would have been weighed and determined ultimately by Rome. In Christian culture that I am most familiar with, the guilt for Jesus death is shared by all humanity though, as Christ's sacrifice is also shared by all humanity. It doesn't matter if one proclaims Christ or not; to use Jesus murder as an excuse to slander one group or another distracts from the purpose of that sacrifice. Christians, or any others, who claim that "dem joos killed christ" not only miss the point of God allowing his son's sacrifice, they are sorely ill informed.

  • 4 votes
#2.14 - Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:31 PM EST
krishna-167929

And now..Nigeria: Radical Muslim sect again stalks northern Nigeria

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#2.15 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:44 AM EST
kpr37

Radical Muslim sect again stalks northern Nigeria

Nigeria was also part of the original National Geographic article. I did quite a bit of research to help make up for a poorly written article. That leaves out many facts apparent for anyone willing to look. I fail to understand why MSM writers give no history ,resent or historical content to their articles.

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-431142.0.html 71 % of Nigerian Muslims want sharia law. they must have read Quran 9:29

These Christians like many Christians in Nigeria did not, and will not submit. http://www.anglicandioceseofjos.org/dogo.html (disturbing photos of dead Christians) things like that, raise questions in the harts of neighbors, as to the peaceful nature and intent of the religious intentions of their countrymen.

Quran http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/7/4/default.htm may provide a clue why we see such things.

How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.

strait from Nigeria, some history of the conflict that's left out of the MSM reporting.

http://emeagwali.com/interviews/sharia/crisis-in-nigeria.html

EMEAGWALI:The killing of 50,000 Igbos in northern Nigeria was, in part, due to religious and ethnic differences. Millions of Igbos (including my family) fled to southeastern Nigeria. My family and I lived in Biafran refugee camps during the 30-month civil war. I have posted additional Biafra- related information at:

http://www.emeagwali.com/photos/biafra/photo-essay-on-biafra.html.

The roots of the present crisis, I believe, started with a lack of understanding of the Nigerian constitution. As an aside, Nigerian officials invited me to contribute my thoughts on the Nigerian constitution and my 10,000-word statement was posted at http://emeagwali.com/interviews/nigerian-constitution/constitution.html

The Nigerian constitution stipulates that we are Nigerians first and then Muslims (or Christians) second. However, some fanatic northern Nigerian elected officials are insisting that Muslims are Muslims first and Nigerians second and, therefore, are entitled to live by the sharia Islamic law. The contradiction is these elected officials were elected through a secular constitution that is the supreme legal document of the land. Each official swore to uphold the constitution. After being elected, some Muslim officials now want that constitution subordinate to sharia law. Proponents of sharia argue that the constitution guarantees freedom of religion while opponents argue that freedom of religion does not mean that Islam will be the state religion and take precedence over the constitution. When a northern Nigerian state adopts Islam as the state religion, it in fact puts the state above the nation and its constitution. In other words, "freedom of religion" does not entitle some northern states to create an Islamic state within the secular state of Nigeria. More specifically, the Nigerian constitution does not permit the adoption of Christianity or Islam as the state religion.

just say NO to sharia law,it's a killer

Sharia Law is subordinate to the constitution and to impose it as the supreme law of a state is equivalent to violating and overthrowing the constitution. It is nonsensical for sharia to be superior to the constitution and to operate two sets of contradictory laws in any state, even if most of the state residents want sharia.

Now I am not sure, but I believe that the populations is split 50/50 somewhat, Christian and Muslim in Nigeria. The Igbos are called the Black Jews Of Africa,as they come from Ethiopia and were at one time in the southern Sudan as well.In real life Islamic theology, Christians and Jews are not in fact, respected.http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=1&tid=523

I linked the Quranic verses in there for you

(Those (Jews) who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath) (5:60).

G*d hates Jews ? and people say it's the same G*d (LOL) funny they are. Uninformed ,but funny

The attribute that the Christians deserve most is that of being led astray, just as Allah said about them,

[قَدْ ضَلُّواْ مِن قَبْلُ وَأَضَلُّواْ كَثِيراً وَضَلُّواْ عَن سَوَآءِ السَّبِيلِ]

(Who went astray before and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the right path) (5:77).

to regain the path, they must become Muslim ? and "submit"

http://www.youtube.com/user/Okoroman the Biafra youtube channel.

http://www.carnegiecouncil.org/resources/publications/dialogue/2_10/articles/1053.html

Read responses to this interview by Uché U. Ewelukwa and Albagir A. Mukhatar. Use the links in the right sidebar.


Until 1999, Muslim laws in Nigeria applied primarily to civil matters. Since the end of military rule in 1999, twelve of Nigeria’s thirty-six states have extended Muslim, or Sharia, laws to criminal matters.

sharia law is like being pregnant. Once it starts,it's just a matter of time before arrival

"allah" commands it from the faithful,after all.

  • 4 votes
#2.16 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:36 AM EST
kpr37

Was this a reference to the Christian Sacrament of Communion?

I don't think that there was a Christian Sacrament yet.

it was a communal meal after religious services.Meant to foster goodwill among the community.

Really interesting discussion and kinda foreshadows some of our modern ideas of law

Tacitus was a bit of an anti semite he had called Christianity "the new Jewish cult of the Christos". I dont know if modern Christians would recognize what was practiced back then. To me it was a Rominized or a form of Hellenized-Judeism

but his letters to the Emperor Trajan from the black sea are revealing.

  • 4 votes
#2.17 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:49 AM EST
kpr37

more news from Jos Nigeria

A previously unknown group, Jama'atu ahlus-Sunnah Lidda'awati wal Jihad, yesterday claimed responsibility for the Christmas Eve bomb blasts in Jos, Plateau State, and attacks in some parts of Borno State which claimed 32 lives.
The blasts led to reprisal attacks in other areas such as Anguwan Rukuba, Tina Junction, Nasarawa, Dutse Uku and Rikkos Quarters.

However, on a visit to Jos yesterday, the Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshall Oluseyi Petirin, reiterated Federal Government’s commitment to getting to the root of the blasts, saying "we are very much interested in the investigation and the outcome of the blast, and we would not leave the task to the Plateau State government alone".
In a statement posted on website (http://mansoorah.net), the group said it carried out the attacks "to start avenging the atrocities committed against Muslims in those areas, and the country in general".
There was no independent confirmation if the group actually exists as it is also suspected that a agent provocateur could be at work with the claims.

The group also promised to continue with the attacks on "disbelievers and their allies" who are fighting Muslims.

The statement, entitled: "A statement regarding Jos and Borno attacks", read: "In the name of Allah the mighty Who has power over everything, Who made fighting the disbelievers an obligation until justice is established on earth.

"May peace and blessings continue to be upon the last messenger who wage (sic) jihad, the best of it.

"O Nations of the World, be informed that verily the attacks in Suldaniyya (Jos) and Borno on the eve of Christmas was carried out by us, Jama'atu ahlus-Sunnah Lidda'awati wal Jihad, under the leadership of Abu Muhammad, Abubakar bin Muhammad Shekau (May Allah preserve him), to start avenging the atrocities committed against Muslims in those areas, and the country in general. Therefore we will continue with our attacks on disbelievers and their allies and all those who help them, until Allah’s deen triumph by His Grace and Will.

"O Muslims! Do not forget that Allah has enjoined us to make provisions for fighting the disbelievers, and for that we are reminding you that the disbelievers of the world are fighting Islam and Muslims. So you must stand and strive to protect your religion and life.

http://www.thisdayonline.info/nview.php?id=190764

  • 4 votes
#2.18 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:14 AM EST
Reply
abalone sandra

Can't speak for the original Nat Geo artilce. Have not read it. But the excerpts seem at least reasonably compassionate. This analysis, tho, seems mucho bizarre, and incoherent ranting. What, exactly, is your point? That the origianl author didn't bow and weep and focus the camera on himslef like you do? Or that he didn't meet your high standard of morality?Ths seems written by the Morality Police; someone who needs to gather their thoughts a little better. Gives activism a bad name.

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:22 PM EST
kpr37

Can't speak for the original Nat Geo artilce. Have not read it

National Geographic magazine here it is. It was linked in the article

But the excerpts seem at least reasonably compassionate

I disput your claim

Gaga refugee camp, Chad

My journey began among refugees in eastern Chad. This is where I met George Bush’s father.

Bush tyrannized his family’s small plot of sand.

This little kid is a victim. Surely if there is a "entity" guilty off having "tyrannized" these poor, destitute humans, it would be the Janjaweed, or the "Islamic" government of the Sudan.Who is in control of the murderous militia . Not a Two year old child.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:02 AM EST
krishna-167929

Have not read it.

It always strikes me as a bit bizarre that often the people on NV who complain the loudest never actually read the article...

Just curious...anyone have any ideas as to why that is?

  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:50 AM EST
kpr37

It always strikes me as a bit bizarre that often the people on NV who complain the loudest never actually read the article...

Me as well.

  • 4 votes
#3.3 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:09 AM EST
larrrs

Laziness.

  • 4 votes
#3.4 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:37 PM EST
Simplelogic-007

Laziness

Bingo!

  • 3 votes
#3.5 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:03 PM EST
Reply
krishna-167929

or the gaze of a woman struggling to comprehend the actions of her fellow man, and the lack of humanity displayed. ( the thousand yard stare, is in common in soldiers, and mothers who have seen their children slughtered before their very eyes)

The lack of compassion amongst so many is astounding indeed... :-(

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:59 PM EST
abalone sandra

Okay--kpr3, I am guilty as charged about not linking to the Nat Geo article. Sorry.

But I went back and read teh Nat Geo piece--it is long! And if your are STILL claiming that it is a heartless story, then your analysis is even stranger than I originally thought. Just baffling, really. And it makes me think how many f the people on this thread actually read the origianal article themselves.

You apparently don't get irony--or sarcasm. It is very revealing that you lock on the single word 'tyrannize' and insist on interperting it only in its political/ideological context; to me it is obvious the author is making a sly point about teh way ALL families talk about boisterous children--exaggerating their naughty behavior in an endearing way: 'My kid is a hell-raiser!' 'My boy is a a little dictator!' etc. Clearly you don't have children of your own?

More important: The fact that you DEMAND a certain Western (guilty) persective about dealing with refugees tells me yu have never been around them in real life. You seem to demand chest-thumping, mea culpa, super-sweet pity approach--a showy humility. In truth your view infantilizes refugees. Turns them into children. Uses them for your own needs. Oh Yes, here comes the 'Great White Savior', pouring dust on his head, whipping his own back, to prostrate himself before the refugee for his government's/society's evil sins in Darfur. You seem to worship and idelaize the refugee to cleanse his own sense of guilt. This is adult? You are simply victimizing the refugee twice, with your ego, to make yourself feel better. Now the poor refugee must also admire your great, wise, display of compassion--displayed in neon lights! Ach. What narcissism. At least Nat Geo treated them like mature human beings. I have worked in refugee camps in the BAlkans. (Kukes, Albania.) I saw your mentality operate there over and over: the activist-as-savior, humorless, dour, sanctimonious, a secular agent of virtue coming to 'save' the refugees. Look, refugees are brutalized people, yes--but still just ordinary people, complicated, funny, imperfect, self-mocking, conniving, just as complicated as you. So why insist on treatment them like fairytale children, tiptoing around them like little icons ina church?

The NAt Geo article you can love or hate--its just a story. But is very self-revealing that in your entire post you chose NOT to mention that the author himself was tortured in Darfur by the bad guys. I wonder why this is? Hm. Think about that. A little self-loathing in there, perhaps? You want to Save Darfur? I suggest healing yourself, before marching out and heal the world.

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Reply#5 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:33 PM EST
krishna-167929

Oh Yes, here comes the 'Great White Savior', pouring dust on his head, whipping his own back, to prostrate himself before the refugee for his government's/society's evil sins in Darfur.

Wow!

  • 5 votes
#5.1 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:56 PM EST
krishna-167929

You want to Save Darfur? I suggest healing yourself, before marching out and heal the world.

If we all wait till we are perfect, none of us will ever do anything about these problems.

Remember this? They didn't spend years in psychotherapy trying to "fix" themselves-- these people took action-- the necessary action-- and changed the world as a result.

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#5.2 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:59 PM EST
kpr37

You apparently don't get irony--or sarcasm. It is very revealing that you lock on the single word 'tyrannize' and insist on interperting it only in its political/ideological context; to me it is obvious the author is making a sly point about teh way ALL families talk about boisterous children

that's the part that really threw me.

The fact that you DEMAND a certain Western (guilty) persective about dealing with refugees

and then I read that, and thought,my G*d, some people are in favour of a genocide in Darfur and ignored the rest.

  • 4 votes
#5.3 - Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:12 AM EST
Reply
Matti Viikate

Article is well made. It is bad thing how things are in some places.

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Reply#6 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:52 PM EST
krishna-167929

And if your are STILL claiming that it is a heartless story,

The more I read about what's happened in Darfur..the MORE I think its a heartless story!

I can't help but wonder, abalone sandra-- what is it that you are really so angry about!

  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:01 PM EST
kpr37

The more I read about what's happened in Darfur..the MORE I think its a heartless story!

an interesting video, some slaves taken from the Sudan are living in Israel (now free),they are called the black Bedouin.They record some of their history in a new film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFF3a4LC6bs

  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:07 AM EST
abalone sandra

krishna: not angry, just tired of two mind sets sometimes found in human righst work:

1. Emotional parasitism: transferring the spiritual emptiness in one's life--a personal emotional hollowness-onto some faraway, exotic "other", like a war crimes victims. Yes? I have seen this narcissist behaviour among volunteers in European refugee camps. It reveals juvenile personality. Nothing wrong with philanthropy, of course--it is a beuatiful and human thing, but only as long as you are truly self-aware, honest enough to know why your are really doing it. The author of this post falls into the parasite trap: He has the actual gall--the "activist ego"--to presume he knows how to channel the thoughts and emotions and needs of Darfur refugees that are 12,000 kilometers away. And he hasn't set foot anywhere near! Just stop and reread his words: "If you are stuck in Africa, with not enough food and others trying to kill you, who do you want to tell your story to the world. Me or a Pulitzer prize winner ? please read both accounts first, and be honest..." Ugh. As if he would know. It's all about him. (kpr37 you can "ignore" this)

2. Cowardice of principle. It is so easy to critique a aid worker, reporter, diplomat etc. who goes to work in the risky environment like Darfur. (This journalist was tortured by khartoum militia--who cares, right?) when you are some emotionally needy, well-fed blogger sitting in safety in a London suburb or a bar in Boston, Amerika. Such "Compassion" demands our us applause, yes? Like a celebrity who visits refugee camp with TV crew, cartons of personal bottled water, make-up person, etc. (kpr37 please "ignore")

Ciao my freinds. Do good work out in the unjust world--and that means inside your own hearts, and in your own back yards, too. (kpr37 please "ignore")

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#7.2 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:01 AM EST
krishna-167929

Thanks for that link-- interesting information!

Btw, here's a related video I just seeded although its about West Africa-- check it out-- some fascinating stuff :-)

(Lots of information about how the Jews got to west Africa in the first place)

Jewish Migrations into West Africa - Part 1

Ehav Ever is an Israeli ethnographer who traces his roots-- on one side of his family-- to Senegalese Jews.

About this video:
"It is on various documents that talk about the Jewish migrations into West Africa that came from three sources.

1) Southern Arabia
2) North Africa
3) Spain and Portugal

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#7.3 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:10 AM EST
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Danese

Krishna you make excellent points!

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Reply#8 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:18 AM EST
krishna-167929

Krishna you make excellent points!

Well-- its a difficult job-- but someone's gotta do it!

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#8.1 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:54 PM EST
Danese

Well I'm glad it's you;) It seems as if your a natural at it.

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#8.2 - Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:34 PM EST
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Justaguy01123

I read somewhere that it's really "Peace on Earth to Men of Goodwill."

Funny, that.

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Reply#9 - Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:07 AM EST
Socrates1

And the beat goes on....nothing changes......except certain people no longer walk the face of the earth...

I know it's an older artice....but it could be a new one.

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Reply#10 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:51 AM EDT
kpr37

And the beat goes on....nothing changes......

Satellite evidence indicates mass graves in Sudan - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com

The Satellite Sentinel Project images show what appear to be freshly dug sites in South Kordofan state, where Sudan's Arab military has been targeting a black ethnic minority loyal to the military of the newly independent Republic of South Sudan. A witness told the project that he saw 100 bodies or more put into one of the pits.

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#10.1 - Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:01 PM EDT
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