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Racism, when is it right ? when it's from the left silly "boy"

Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:06 PM EDT
By kpr37
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Racism, when is it right. never when your white ? Supposedly they say.

however this may no longer true.

I am a Caucasian on the census form, only because "Mud person" or in proper, American racist terminology "Mud Blood" was unavailable for my selection. My grandparents, all four of them, emigrated to America (from Ireland) between the great wars. My grandfather, on my fathers side, was "Black Irish" well before he arrived

This concept,(racism) I have noticed, changed recently. Them sneaky ( the man, the lily white, privileged European elite bastards) ,have Bastardized the term and it's meaning.The old oppressor is at it again. under a new name, liberal "progressiveness" Don't feel this is true. Ask Helen Tomas about the "Jew".

While I personalty have not thought of the subject in many years, Since I was a teenager,at last recall. I was referred to as a "Mic Paddy". Now in my home state, the state of Massachusetts. This translates (pardon my French) as "Irish @!$%#". I did not like that it then. I enjoy seeing half of that slur, on newsvine only slightly less, now.

AZPADDY

does anyone else feel his name is openly insulting to people of Irish descent.

For the Irish this is similar to AZ Ni**er .

does liberal racism know no limit ?

what say the newsvine liberal anti racist police ?

http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html

Paddy

Irish

Derogatory slur word for Irish people. Used mainly in Britain. Similar negativity connotations as "@!$%#". Comes from St. Patrick.

Now, not only is this a childish example of racism.

In my case it had and has a double meaning. As I acknowledge the fact ,that for an Irish man. I posses an inordinate amount of Melanin in my skin (hence "BLACK" Irish).You may have seen my tag line kpr37 "black Irish" Pagan.This does have meaning. looking at myself in the mirror, I see a man of substantial color.It is undeniably obvious.Where this inordinate amount of Melanin came from, is open for debate.

now what you may ask, does this have to do with racism and the term "Black Irish"as we all know "Black" in America any ways , infers African descent. The Irish are glow in the dark, white you say.

In truth, Ireland was settled by several groups of people: nomadic hunters and gatherers; pre-Celts and the Cruithan (Picts); Iron-age Celts, first from Northern Europe, and the second possibly from Spain. This--a hypothesis--is reflected by the existence of the Milesians. Also, there is the curious story of the "Black Irish"--that the existence of the short, dark-haired and occasionally olive-skinned people, usually found in the west of Ireland

ever read The Irish Pagan "Bible" Labor Gabala Erenn verse 16 book one. One of many possibilities. not likely, however not out of the question.http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/celtic/ctexts/lebor1.html#1

§16. Now Sru s. Esru s. Gaedel, he it is who was chieftain for the Gaedil who went out of Egypt after Pharao was drowned [with his host in the Red Sea of Israel]: Seven hundred and seventy years from the Flood till then.

Egypt is considered a part of Africa. (my skin tone runs from a well tanned in winter, to a deep chestnut brown in the Summer) I am not a man lacking in color.(LOL)

Four hundred and forty years from that time in which Pharao was drowned, and after Sru s. Esru came out of Egypt, till the time when the sons of Mil came into Ireland, to wit, Eber and Eremon: hereanent [one] said-- Forty and four hundred of years--it is no falsehood-

A more likely explanation would be the Caribbean connection.

You see my first ancestors arriving in the Americas were chained together in the bottom of an English ship.You must understand, slavery is not something easily forgotten, within a family or clan. Coming from the village of Tuath i nGaoth Dobhair, a large part of the clan had moved to Dublin by the 1600s and were successful traders in beef and leather or so my family legend tells me. Dragheda is only a short distance from Dublin. This was a horrible place to raise a family,as it turned out.This is where a third of my family, is said to have disappeared without a trace.

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This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed

“forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.”

In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

From Indymedia Ireland:

During the 1650s decade of Cromwell’s Reign of Terror, over 100,000 Irish children, generally from 10 to 14 years old, were taken from Catholic parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In fact, more Irish were sold as slaves to the American colonies and plantations from 1651 to 1660 than the total existing “free” population of the Americas!

while it is true the English hated the Catholics, they reserved their true hatred toward the Gaelic speaking pagan population, as they were considered heathens,men with out G*ds grace. less than human.

From The History Place:

The French sociologist, Gustave de Beaumont, visited Ireland in 1835 and wrote: “I have seen the Indian in his forests, and the Negro in his chains, and thought, as I contemplated their pitiable condition, that I saw the very extreme of human wretchedness; but I did not then know the condition of unfortunate Ireland…In all countries, more or less, paupers may be discovered; but an entire nation of paupers is what was never seen until it was shown in Ireland.”

out of Africa OUT OF IRELAND

W.E.B. Du Bois, founder of the NAACP, and the preeminent historian on slavery in the Americas, wrote: "Any attempt to consider the attitude of the English colonies toward the African slave-trademust be prefaced by a word as to the attitude of England herself and the development of the trade in her hands." Du Bois gives us a logical starting place for discussing racism and the legacy of slavery in America: it begins with the"Mother Country's" dominant role in the Atlantic slave trade. Before all white Europeans are lumped together with the British as colonists and slave keepers, let us consider Britain's treatment of the Irish and the Africans, and the many parallels of subjugation and enslavement to be drawn.

is it me, or do self described liberal progressive, embrace, if not revel in. racial hate.

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kpr37

what every article about the Irish should have, A little bagpipe music.

So now, without further delay, the Jimi Hendrix of the pipes The Fred Morrison Band live

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:12 PM EDT
psychokiller

This is a classic, have fun with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F67JhKT5bxU

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:22 PM EDT
kpr37

I love Monty Python

I never would have done this article,however I gave him the definition

He said he was aware of it's meaning and I should just get over it.

What groups of people are excluded from racism.

I know of the complete disappearance of antisemitzam shorty after WW two.

How many other groups of humans will be excluded from unfair labels and slurs.

is it a good thing ? is this progressive ? Who decides ?

I was gone from newsvine for two weeks, working. I work outside

I am now darker than our African American President. Oh excuse me, our "Black Irish" President, as was Mohammad Ali.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19858.html

But Irish Americans say they’re still waiting for Barack Obama to embrace another influential figure from his past: his great-great-great-grandfather Falmouth Kearney.

An Irish immigrant who came to America in 1850, Kearney hailed from Moneygall, County Offaly, a tiny Irish village about an hour and a half west of Dublin. And according to Ancestry.com, this link makes Obama about 3.1 percent Irish.

  • 7 votes
#2.1 - Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:19 PM EDT
mrsrachelm

My family immigrated from Ireland and ended up primarily in Appalachia. Some of the bloodline intermingled with the Native Americans of the area. Thus on my da's side I am Irish, English (bleh, lol) and a smidgen of Native American. My mother used to say that if I had a nose bleed I wouldn't be Native American any more, lol.

They were all an eclectic mix of Catholicism and Paganism all wrapped together in a tapestry of interwoven beliefs, practices and world/spiritual views. I treasure and embrace my Irish heritage and find no shame in my family's ability to embrace a wider spiritual view.

Few people realize just how despised Irish immigrants were in the USA. There was a hierarchy of prejudice: blacks, Indians, Irish. They were denied entrance into many businesses, had to use the back entrance if they worked anywhere, were unable to find jobs unless they worked for nearly nothing in abysmal conditions and so on. They were rarely protected by the law against rape, murder, assault, robbery, etc. but easily blamed and prosecuted with little or no evidence for these things by merely the say so and pointing of a finger.

While I have not experienced this first hand just as many black Americans have not experienced most of these things first hand...my ancestors and theirs were both enslaved, were both treated as less than even when they were no longer slaves, etc. People of color look at me and think that because my skin is so white my ancestors were privileged. They don't think I understand where they are coming from when they speak of slavery, being treated as second class (or worse) citizens, etc. And they often don't believe me when I describe the plight of my own Irish ancestors. I usually never bring it up because people just don't believe it happened or was as bad as it really was.

I love your article about the Irish, kpr. It makes me feel good to know someone knows what I know.

  • 6 votes
#2.2 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:50 AM EDT
kpr37

. I usually never bring it up because people just don't believe it happened or was as bad as it really was.

other than my tag line. This is the first time I have really looked into it.If you know where to look it is all there.

thank you fo reading it.

  • 6 votes
#2.3 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:20 AM EDT
psychokiller

kpr, I believe it happened. I read a book about the fact that Irish Immigrants were economically enslaved, and discriminated against. That is a no brainer.

  • 4 votes
#2.4 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT
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psychokiller

kpr, my black wife explained to me what racism, bigotry, and stupidity was. I was raised in the fifties, and my racism was taught by my elders. So in a word, yes, I understand what you are writing about. I guess we learn from other people, all colors and religions. Life is better when you live without blinders on.

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:28 PM EDT
Socrates1

I recently wrote an article regarding slavery (not self-promoting) and, frankly, missed this part of its history. Once again, well written and informative.

Time to do a little more research...:)

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:45 PM EDT
kpr37

Time to do a little more research

you would have to know, to look for that. it is not on the liberal progressive menu, of grievances.

Slaves in large numbers were also taken from Kilkenny. these were said to go to New England.

Why teach the truth, when they let you teach an agenda (motto of the association of American leftist Professors)

The Irish are white oppressors, and that's the end of the story.

It is really quite ironic that it was only through contact with other cultures that the blight of slavery returned to Western European consciousness. The facts are clear. At the time of the "discovery" of the New World the practice of slavery was quite well established, whether in the more developed societies such as the Aztecs (4), or the more nomadic societies to the north(5). The same is certainly true of Africa, the Islamic World, and others.(6). An interesting fact regarding the slave trade in Africa is how the differences in need complemented each other so well. Whereas the indigenous slave owners of Africa were primarily interested in the women and children and thus saw the males as "troublesome" excesses to be eliminated in one way or another, foreign buyers saw the males as sources of labor.(7) The chance to sell what would otherwise have been considered a "cost of doing business" must have seemed like manna from heaven. Far from being forced into selling their brothers and sisters it would seem that Africans had been doing a brisk business in slaves from the beginning of time.

http://socrates1.newsvine.com/_news/2010/06/28/4551835-slavery-in-black-and-white

It was the Helen Tomas thing and then the way my complaint was dismissed. It pissed me off.

liberal progressives commit no sins.

Now the first time I was called an "Mic Paddy" it did not bother me. then my cousin told me the definition. I felt different about it then (LOL)

if Obama is called a "Mic Paddy" I am sure as hell, that will be labeled racism.

for me, I am happy in my brown skin,with my curly black hair, blond mustache,and RED beard.

quite the gene pool in that little corner of Ireland.(LOL)

it's still the last holdout of the Gaelic language, and the traditional faith of the Island. monotheistic Paganism.

Gweedore (Irish: Gaoth Dobhair[1]), is an Irish-speaking district located on the Atlantic coast of County Donegal, Ireland. Gweedore is also the home of the northwest regional studios of the Irish language radio service RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta,[2] and it is officially the largest Irish-speaking parish in Ireland

  • 7 votes
#4.1 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:10 AM EDT
mrsrachelm

Ireland's native language and dialects are all but lost these days. There is a saying that says something along the lines of...if you want to destroy a people, take away their language first...their culture will soon follow. After that they meld into the rest of the world no longer being a distinct people since they will have no singular identity or group memories remaining.

My own grandparents didn't know their cultural language. All they ever knew was English. I mourn that loss. I'm lucky that not only did they know the "old ways", that they passed them down to my da and then to me.

  • 6 votes
#4.2 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:18 AM EDT
kpr37

I mourn that loss

http://www.paganspace.net/forum/topic/show?id=1342861%3ATopic%3A544420

sean fhocail............old Irish Sayings

  • 6 votes
#4.3 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:29 AM EDT
mrsrachelm

Very cool, thank you. I love the old sayings of various peoples. My mother is of German heritage and my she and grandmother were always saying these little "wisdoms". Being close to my parents and to my extended heritage through them has meant the world to me.

  • 5 votes
#4.4 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:16 AM EDT
Socrates1

I'm going to have to link your article from mine, just to be fair..) Fortunately I don't believe it completely changes my central premise, which was that a wide variety of people have been enslaved by many different cultures. I do still suggest that it was those (hated) English who saw the error of their ways and attempted to do something about it. Of course, their practices in Ireland were nothing of which to be proud. I did read somewhere that the Celts also practised slavery so we're not talking about completely clean hands there either, not that you were suggesting otherwise.

  • 6 votes
#4.5 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:58 AM EDT
mrsrachelm

You're right, Socrates. I think every culture had slavery at some point. Even some Native American Indian tribes enslaved those they conquered, etc. It is hardly an uncommon practice throughout world history.

The conquers invariably enslaved the conquered or the prisoners taken etc from tribe to tribe, clan to clan...etc all over the world. No one ethnic group or country etc is pure in this respect.

  • 3 votes
#4.6 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:03 AM EDT
krishna-167929

sean fhocail............old Irish Sayings

I was surprised at this one-- its become populat amongst Americans in general:

An té a luíonn le madaí, éiroidh sé le dearnaid.
He who sleeps with dogs, rises with fleas.

  • 5 votes
#4.7 - Fri Jul 2, 2010 1:20 AM EDT
kpr37

now you must understand,they did not live as long back then

Fiche bliain ag fas, fiche bliain ag faoi bhlath agus fiche bliain ag tra.an saol fear siapli

20 years a'growing, 20 years in bloom and 20 years in decline.the life of a simple man

  • 6 votes
#4.8 - Fri Jul 2, 2010 1:35 AM EDT
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Lisafrequency

With my jew,german,irish,asian,black descent I have been sooooooo hated. People don't know what it is about me that they just don't like but, it is their racial prejudice. Men have always kind of liked me in a can't take her home to mama kind of way(like a member of the KKK having a black mistress) and women have always hated the way men turn their heads when I walk by. I can't help it if a lot of women would need a surgeon and cosmetician to look like I do.

People hate what they do not understand. If racism has any purity it is to preserve a certain race. It could do without the hatred and fear though. I can understand preserving a race to a certain extent. People are messsed up....We hate the wrong things.

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:28 AM EDT
Socrates1

Sounds to me like you just about have all the bases covered...you know what they say... you just accent the positive...(forgot the melody). Anyway doesn't sound as if you've been crawling in a hole.

  • 6 votes
#5.1 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:02 AM EDT
Lisafrequency

Not all so I had a child with a latin man so now my son is the one who has all the bases covered...

  • 6 votes
#5.2 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:25 AM EDT
mrsrachelm

and women have always hated the way men turn their heads when I walk by.

LOL!

The "don't hate me because I'm beautiful and exotic" syndrome!

;-P

Personally I've always loved the aesthetic quality in people of either gender who have that exotic quality to them. I find mix racial heritage ofter very pleasing to the eye in both genders.

  • 6 votes
#5.3 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT
Lisafrequency

I am glad that you find the exotic look aesthetic. I love the beauty of all races of people. I can honestly say I have never met anyone that I could not see something beautiful about them.

  • 5 votes
#5.4 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:50 PM EDT
OomYaaqub

Lisa, it must be absolute HELL being drop-dead gorgeous.

  • 4 votes
#5.5 - Fri Jul 2, 2010 2:46 AM EDT
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kazutam

is it me, or do self described liberal progressive, embrace, if not revel in. racial hate.

No it is NOT just you.

My heritage is Polish, German, and a bit of French-Canadian.

The MAIN fact that gets me hated is the fact that I'm white.

Now if you look at MANY posting on here, the derogatory(as that is how they are being used)terms "redneck", "hillbilly", etc etc etc etc are thrown around constantly and NO ONE on the left ever seems to have a problem with those terms.

Yet let someone use a term that could be considered to be in ANY way "derogatory" to refer to any OTHER race/ethnicity(had to include that(ethnicity) due to the fact that "Hispanic" is NOW being treated like it is a separate race by the left) and they simply come unglued.

Sorry but even though I'm a "dumb" polack( and my mother HATES that I allow folks to think of me that way) I can see a "double standard" from a couple of miles off.

  • 7 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:27 PM EDT
mrsrachelm

I agree.

People call that "reverse racism" but that phrase always makes me laugh because racism is racism regardless of the race to which it is being applied. There's no such thing as "reverse racism". A thing simply is racist or it's not.

  • 7 votes
#6.1 - Thu Jul 1, 2010 5:53 AM EDT
Sniffles-1491444

Amen Rachel! When the term "reverse racism" came about, it was in the context that blacks were racist against whites... and the term makes it sound like only whites can be racists.

  • 5 votes
#6.2 - Thu Jul 1, 2010 12:56 PM EDT
krishna-167929

People call that "reverse racism" but that phrase always makes me laugh because racism is racism regardless of the race to which it is being applied.

The term "reverse racism' is, frankly, total bullsh*t!

It was invented for the sole purpose of excusing (or minimizing) racism by certain groups-- yet another example of "Political correctness" run amok.

You are totally correct-- racism is racism, plain and simple!

  • 6 votes
#6.3 - Fri Jul 2, 2010 1:24 AM EDT
krishna-167929

Btw, the English language, for better or worse, has developed over centuries. It contains words that are capable of describing anything. So one tip-off as to when someone is spewing total bullsh*t is when they use newly invented words-- words that aren't real words-- inventions that are a ploy to cover up their disingenuousness.

(except, perhaps, new technologies-- those new words are necessary because they describe something that didn't exist before. But racism has existed-- so we don't need a new word like "reverse racism").

  • 5 votes
#6.4 - Fri Jul 2, 2010 1:27 AM EDT
kpr37

Ay Dios Mio, Israel (youtube) I'm not sure, but they seem to be very pro Israel, in Spanish. and we cant have that

a very funny video, I fear it will not last long

  • 1 vote
#6.5 - Fri Jul 2, 2010 11:33 PM EDT
kpr37

I fear it will not last long

removed by the newsvine community,less than 24 hours after posting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzMUyqmaqcw when did the political left become so intolerant ?

is only their point of view relevant ? is their "divination" of diversity correct.

would a Spanish language music video, condemning America, or George Bush be removed, or voted up the vine. (LOL)

  • 2 votes
#6.6 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 4:56 PM EDT
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